Thank you for providing this valuable context. I am hoping to advocate for OSS transition in my workplace and these examples go a long way to help make my case.

++ When an EU outlet says, &quot;Given the annual savings, this sum will pay for itself in less than a year. In the past, the state transferred millions to the US company Microsoft, primarily for the use of office software and other programs.&quot;You know they want sovereignty.WRT the criticism on this move by &quot;the opposition&quot; saying, &quot;&quot;It may be that on paper 80 percent of workplaces have been converted. But far fewer than 80 percent of employees can now work with them properly.&quot;&quot;I think this natural pressure will also be helpful for re-tooling IT infra and support companies to being more sovereign.

You&#x27;re not wrong, but this is actually what they&#x27;re pursuing; the article just leaves it out.&gt; The goal is not only to save costs, but above all to gain digital sovereignty.&gt; [It&#x27;s true] that open source is not necessarily cheaper, [..] it requires investment. But the money flows into internal infrastructure, into the further development of Nextcloud, LibreOffice, and other similar systems, instead of proprietary ones.&gt; Schleswig-Holstein pursues an &quot;upstream-only strategy,&quot; meaning that developments flow directly back into international projects. The state does not want to maintain its own forks, but rather contribute all improvements directly to the main projects, thereby contributing to development for the benefit of the general public.[1]On a side note, the real key to the project&#x27;s success is that it&#x27;s supported by a coalition of the conservative and green parties. They actually value digital sovereignty and longterm cost savings. Contrast that with Bavaria, where the MS lobbyist managed to get them to sign a longterm Office 365 contract…[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www-heise-de.translate.goog&#x2F;hintergrund&#x2F;Interview-Wie-die-OSS-Umstellung-in-Schleswig-Holstein-laeuft-10629991.html?_x_tr_sl=de&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_pto=wapp" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www-heise-de.translate.goog&#x2F;hintergrund&#x2F;Interview-Wi...</a>

&gt;In contrast, there would be one-time investments of nine million euros in 2026 [...] and the further development of solutions with free software.They are contributing actively it seems, so even better.

This is the first I&#x27;ve heard of OpenDesk. What makes it specific to &quot;public administration,&quot; vs. regular business?

The German government actually started and funded quite a few projects supporting FOSS development over the past few years. For example, ZenDis was founded in 2022 to develop open-source software for the public administration. They are the driving force behind openDesk, which is shaping up to be a great office- and collaboration suite. Also, there&#x27;s the Sovereign Tech Agency, where open-source projects can apply for direct funding. The available funds aren&#x27;t as big as I&#x27;d like them to be, but it&#x27;s not as if there&#x27;s no funding coming from the German government.

That&#x27;s very true in the case of private companies. I&#x27;m not sure to what degree employing developers who contribute to open source projects (probably for lower than private sector wages) works in the case of a lot of public sector entities.

An alternative would be to create jobs for people that take on part of the development of used software. They would be a close connection between their organization and the Open Source project in question. Paying money to the project would be one way to go. Providing development resources another. Both would be best :)

This has been my view too... all these years, all these organizations with collective billions, and didn&#x27;t anyone have the vision to say, let&#x27;s all pool some money together and actually get these open source alternatives to shed some of the papercuts, and maybe hire some UX&#x2F;designers to make them look more polished?

There are plenty of decision makers who will not be sold on an abstract concept like software sovereignty, especially when it requires them to change. Tell the same crowd &quot;$15 million saved&quot; and more of them will listen.They&#x27;re out of their minds if they&#x27;re donating nothing to Libreoffice, though.

&gt;”Given this understanding, the best away to achieve the desired outcome is to get creative about aligning incentives at the top of org structures where resources are allocated.”I really don’t understand what this means; could you please explain it? It comes off as ‘mushy’ consulting-speak to me.

The idea is sound but the feeling of hate is perhaps strong. It’s understandable there’s no incentive to pay for open source software, and doing so would be seen as an unnecessary allocation of resources that could better be allocated elsewhere.Given this understanding, the best away to achieve the desired outcome is to get creative about aligning incentives at the top of org structures where resources are allocated.

&gt;dependent on Microsoft programs such as Word or ExcelThis kind of suggests that they have a bunch of VBA scripts in the tax department and the legal team are dependent on sharing &#x27;track changes&#x27; in contracts. It will do the world a favour if the VBA is forced out. Don&#x27;t know what they will do about &#x27;track changes&#x27;, it is ubiquitous in the contract world. Hopefully they will force government suppliers onto the libre alternative.

Apparently their tax administration has some extensive automation with Excel spreadsheets and VBA.

True. Software and computers don’t even exist to save money. A lot of problems stem from the weird idea of MBAs that a computer, digitalization or even cloud are there to save money.I hope Holstein prepared the switch well and kill off any Microsoft stuff as quick as possible. Nothing is worse than co-existence with something hostile which doesn’t want to be compatible.<pre><code> * No Dual-Booting
 * No VM
 * Especially no WINE (your ducked with every odd update)
 * And by the love of god, hit everyone with a bat which tries to ship incompatible files (MS-Office, ppt, xls, pst…) to you. Links to “Microsoft Teams”? Hit harder and show no mercy :)
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What to do, minimal list:<pre><code> * Make plan.
 * Used standards wherever possible.
 * Switch file-formats and external platforms before. Use a standard distribution and DO NOT MAKE YOUR OWN DISTRIBUTION. If you have a big IT department with hundreds of employees, maybe an own repository with your custom software.
 * Enforce all suppliers hard to support Linux natively! If not? Drop them. Search a honest company which gives you also the source.
 * Avoid the usual mistake like “this a local support company” or “their offer is cheaper”
 * Don’t purchase shitty hardware. ThinkPads are a good start, but we speak about printers, NFC, label writers, scanners and so on.
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If your answer doesn’t include either Debian, Red Hat, Canonical or Suse it is probably the wrong choice. You need support.<pre><code> The remaining 20 percent of workplaces are currently still dependent on Microsoft programs such as Word or Excel, as there is a technical dependency on these programs in certain specialized applications. According to Schrödter, however, the successive conversion of these remaining computers is the stated goal.
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A red flag. Soft migrations work only, if both side cooperate. If not, hard migration. Short pain is better than long suffering.PS: And don’t repeat Munich! Munich is “HOW NOT”. Three distinct IT-Departments. And the next major was “convinced ” with tax money and a Microsoft Headquarters. Result, it is worse than before.

That&#x27;s a really good point actually. If you&#x27;re self hosting, you&#x27;re already eating some cost by having people, probably in-house, doing the work but the price difference must be quite large and they should use it to support the project.

I hope those are not mutually exclusive actions. Switching and contributing may be on the Schleswig-Holstein Administration&#x27;s agenda.

&quot;Open Source&quot; has always been a play for Free Software from a pragmatic and business-focused point of view, as opposed to a community-focused and moralistic one.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20021001164015&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opensource.org&#x2F;docs&#x2F;history.php" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20021001164015&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.openso...</a>

The sales pitch for FOSS to corporations in the 1990s and 2000s was &quot;free as in speech and free as in beer&quot;. Reneging on that is a straight-up rug pull on the adopters.

Many years ago some people proposed to move open source to paid licensing to guarantee income for core open source developers. But the self-righteous community attacked them like it was the end of the world.In the current cancel culture even if you use *GPL licenses you get attacked for not being MIT or similar. But mysteriously never a peep about Big Tech making billions off open source without giving back even a tiny 1% to the projects. Insanity.

That&#x27;s a double-edged sword, though. Those tax dollars don&#x27;t just pay for the license, but for ongoing development, responsibility for security issues, support contracts, emergency personnel, and so on. With a purely Open Source strategy, you&#x27;ll have to pay multiple external consultants to take care of part of this, and&#x2F;or cover these roles in-house. And suddenly, you&#x27;ve taken up a lot of tasks completely foreign to your business domain, such as new infrastructure and its maintenance, documentation requirements, software development, and so on. And we haven&#x27;t even talked about the massive effort of educating your entire workforce on new tools and workflows.Assuming you just replace a proprietary software ecosystem with an Open Source one and immediately get the same thing for free is a very naive view that will get you in trouble.Having said that, as a German, I am very happy this switch happens and seems to have some backing in the local administration at least. But it&#x27;s still a high-risk wager and I&#x27;m afraid it&#x27;ll turn out like the LiMux project in Munich, which was eventually (and cleverly so) framed as the origin of all problems in the municipal digital infrastructure. In the end, it got swapped out for a new Microsoft contract in a wonderful example of lobbyism and bribery, and Open Source and Linux have been discredited, to the point no winning mayor candidate can ever bring it up again as a viable alternative.

You hate that, but what I hate that so many of my tax dollars are funnelled into bloated software run by awful foreign companies with massive lock-in scams, when better free software is available. I hate that lobbyists and consultants get these systems into place and can’t be unseated despite its utter unreasonableness.It’s a tremendous mis-allocation of public resources. Hiring local people to tailor the free software which already exists and contributing those changes back to the world would spend fewer of those dollars and spend them locally, and be pro-social at the same time.So I don’t hate this story. I love it and see it as a massive win.

Because in Germany the price is the only thing that counts.Building a new street?
The cheapest bidder wins.Cuts to social security?
As long it saves money in the short term in doesn’t matter if the long term costs will be higher or if the cuts don’t make sense.

Why would a budget-conscious institution give away money for free?

Yes. But budget decisions are made by politicians. Who know that one euro spent on things they could get for free is one euro less for things that voters and other interests are endlessly asking them to spend more on.

It should be what the kids these days call &#x27;sovereignty&#x27;, but ain&#x27;t nobody got budget for that.

I hate when switches like these get advertised first and foremost as some huge cost-cutting measure, further solidifying open source ecosystem as some cheap knock-offs of their commercial alternatives.How about instead you donate the same amount of money you would&#x27;ve paid to Microsoft anyways to fund open source projects you rely on? At least for one year, then drop it down to some arbitrary chosen percentage of that cost. That way you can still advertise it as a cost-cutting measure, and everyone would benefit.

Less likely? This is exactly what happened earlier this year.Here&#x27;s an article from the same newspaper that showed up to me as &quot;related&quot; when browsing TFA:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.heise.de&#x2F;en&#x2F;news&#x2F;Criminal-Court-Microsoft-s-email-block-a-wake-up-call-for-digital-sovereignty-10387383.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.heise.de&#x2F;en&#x2F;news&#x2F;Criminal-Court-Microsoft-s-emai...</a>

&gt; the ability to fix a bug in-houseYes, but bureaucracies make this impossible. If you have worked at a bank before, you&#x27;ll know how difficult it is to make a change to some in-house piece of software. And that&#x27;s a bank, not a gov&#x27;t institution. Think how much more friction there will be in the latter.

The sabotage scenario is perhaps less likely than the alternative scenario of industrial and political espionage.There are also practical advantages: the ability to fix a bug in-house instead of waiting for a technology giant from another continent.

Governments have more to gain from being able to work with a few big companies on things like surveillance than they do from sovereignty - which many of them regard as an out of date idea anyway.Despite all the talk about sovereign cloud the actual governments are actually going the other way.1. The Online Safety Act in the UK pushes people to use big tech more rather than run stuff independently - the forums that moved to social media.
2. EU regulatory requirements that help the incumbents:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;10&#x2F;27&#x2F;cispe_eu_sovereignty_framework&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;10&#x2F;27&#x2F;cispe_eu_sovereignty_...</a>
3. ID apps in multiple countries that require installs from Google or Apple stores, and only run on their platforms.
4. The push to cashless which means increased reliance on Visa, Mastercard, Apple and Google.To be clear I do not not think that any of these things are in the public interest. However the government is not the public, and the public (and probably a lot of the government) has deeply ingrained learned helplessness about technology.

&gt; Imagine how Open Source Software could improve if a consortium of nations put their money and resources into commissioning bug fixes and enhancements, which would be of collective benefit.This is the business model of Quansight Labs, whose employees help maintain much of the scientific python stack. Mostly tech companies, not governments, sponsoring the work

How does anyone &quot;control&quot; an OSS project in the sense that you are talking about, so the ability to insert backdoors or activate kill-switches? Maybe Linus controls Linux, but can he &quot;flick a switch and kill&quot; any running kernels? He might be able to insert backdoors, but will they go unnoticed? Would anyone be forced to install them? Just patch the code to remove the backdoor.I feel that you wrote some words that only seem to make sense if we don&#x27;t think about them too much.

Maybe. I highly doubt Apple or any other company isn’t complying in some way.It’s been widely speculated that there are gentleman’s agreements where strategic bugs do not get fixed. To apple’s credit, unlike say BlackBerry, they designed iMessage where many of the intercept methods are tamper evident.

Apple sit behind the most corrupt US President in history at its inauguration, donated to a ball room and millions of dollars for other unspecified purposes. Is your argument that they will not fold...or that the backdoor is already in place ? :-)

Today when a government pushes for a backdoor we often see companies push back. The FBI publicly complained about iMessage encryption a lot, and currently Apple is also telling the government of India they aren’t going to install their “security” software… those are just a couple examples.What happens when major OSS projects are controlled by the governments themselves? Will David still beat Goliath?

Similar opinion and source of income.Linux for starters, however even that has too many US contributions.In general, we need to go back to the cold war days, multiple OSes and programming languages governed by international standards, with local vendors.If sovereignty is desired, it can&#x27;t stop at Office packages.

They have the kill switch, it is called a &quot;cloud account&quot;. Nowadays you need a valid cloud (MS-controlled) account to log into your computer.

The kill switch is M365 account management. You take that offline, many SME’s and local governments just stop working. At least for a while.

&gt; pretty strong sabotage capabilitiesVia updates they can install and run anything they want ... aka &#x27;kill switch&#x27;.

They absolutely have. They force upgrade computers to Windows 11, which then won&#x27;t boot, because the system doesn&#x27;t actually support it. I guess they also have a smoother way to achieve that. They are also cases where an update broke the booting process, so the bitlocker key was lost. Everything is encrypted with it by default, and the only copy sits on a MS server connected with you MS account. Guess what happens when they say sorry, we can&#x27;t just give you that key...

I doubt that Microsoft has a kill switch. Though through automatic updates they still have pretty strong sabotage capabilities.But the OS is not where Microsofts power lies. Its in exchange (almost everywhere cloud managed, including for many governments) and SharePoint, with a small amount of teams, where Microsoft is truly a scary prospect for sovereignty.

I have a possibly strange take.Isn&#x27;t the code of law the original open source, for very good reason?As law becomes more and more enforced by software, should it not all be required to be open source?

I feel like there should be an open project to manage and support this.I think governance (both public and private) would benefit from open tools to manage communities at scale via technology.

There absolutely can be &quot;customer service&quot; in OSS. You can usually find someone to pay for it.

Customer service is how OSS companies make money.

&quot;the needs of most government bureaucracies would be well served by currently available OSS word processing, spreadsheet, presentation and graphics software.&quot;wait until they found out that there is no &quot;customer service&quot; in OSS, sometimes the project is fine but people need &quot;someone&quot; to be held accountable in some waysthat&#x27;s why a lot of OSS project never take flight

indeed
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=44336915">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=44336915</a> - Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Haguethen <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=45837342">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=45837342</a> - ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk

&gt; Where does this kind of conspiracy thinking come from?The news in your jurisdiction might not cover these matters<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.breakingnews.ie&#x2F;world&#x2F;trump-sanctions-on-international-criminal-court-prosecutor-halt-tribunals-work-1763122.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.breakingnews.ie&#x2F;world&#x2F;trump-sanctions-on-interna...</a>

Prudent to assume that the same is possible with Linux.

This excuse is as old as the hills and I&#x27;ve been hearing it since the late 90s, but historically there has been exactly zero training between versions of Office or Windows that changed a lot of the interface overnight. Office workers just kept using them like the rest of the planet.Not to mention companies who moved on to Google Docs or the web version of Office. Or companies who moved to MacOS 15-10 years ago.In my state back home the entire workforce moved to LibreOffice and, according to my sister (a government worker), everyone is doing fine. Recently I saw a German government worker using Office to produce a document and she mentioned that she &quot;barely knows how to use it&quot; and &quot;just knows how to load templates, fill and print&quot;.This hypothetical problem of &quot;needs training&quot; only seems to exist when you mention the words &quot;open source&quot;.

&gt; - It requires a ton of training, the UIs are not flashy so people are going to feel repulsed (I unironically found looks to be a big blocker when adopting open source tech), and finally Microsoft is going to lobby incredibly hard against it.I think everyone agrees the costs are high, especially beyond monetary ones, but this stance on avoiding these costs is slowly pushing everyone into finding out how expensive is not having sovereignty.Through its tech industry the US has over time acquired too much power over critical digital infrastructure that has already compromised governments. We know of Presidents&#x2F;PMs&#x2F;Legislators spied upon through their phones and computers, and also Microsoft itself involved in revoking email access to the ICC&#x27;s chief prosecutor as retaliation&#x2F;defense against investigations.Sovereignty is too important for government, and since everyone needs to do it and get security right going for open-source with funded development and constant auditing is in my mind the only way.

&gt;UIs are not flashyWhere did you see flashy UIs? Modern UIs are boring flat geometric monochrome shit and Microsoft is one of the worst there.

not being able to be coerced by the US regime is a huge strategic requirement that no amout of lobbying by microsoft will be able to overcome

I agree, but it also feels like it would be so difficult. It requires a ton of training, the UIs are not flashy so people are going to feel repulsed (I unironically found looks to be a big blocker when adopting open source tech) and finally Microsoft is going to lobby incredibly hard against it. I wouldn&#x27;t put it past Microsoft to actively sabotage any adoption.

I&#x27;m a Windows&#x2F;macOS developer, but I strongly feel that all national governments need to convert to Linux, for strategic sovereignty. I&#x27;m sure Microsoft, under orders from the U.S. government, could disable all computers in any country or organization, at the flick of a switch.Imagine how Open Source Software could improve if a consortium of nations put their money and resources into commissioning bug fixes and enhancements, which would be of collective benefit.Apart from a few niche cases, the needs of most government bureaucracies would be well served by currently available OSS word processing, spreadsheet, presentation and graphics software.

At least the federal government loves to contract McKinsey, so a lot of the profit still ends up outside of the country. I didn&#x27;t find any quickly accessible data on the state government in Schleswig-Holstein, though.

It is better to spend 20milion on German contractors, then spending just 15m on licenses to foreign company.

Yeah. Notice how they emphasize how the &quot;one-time&quot; spend on contractors will save them money. Never includes the cost of the lack of institutional knowledge, or the impact on quality, maintainability, etc. Money brain.For a transition to open-source to be successful and permanent, manage it well. Not like this.

&gt; Saves 15 million&quot; on license costs, but how much will be wasted on the contractors...Approximately 9 million, according to the article:&gt; In contrast, there would be one-time investments of nine million euros in 2026, explained the Ministry of Digitalization to the Kieler Nachrichten. These would have to be made for the conversion of workplaces and the further development of solutions with free software in the next 12 months. Given the annual savings, this sum will pay for itself in less than a year.

This resonates with me as well. This money will increase attention and expectedly contributions to OSS, which will also be of benefit to other entities implementing the same model later on. That’s the way to go towards sovereignty in software.

True, regardless of the cost, it feels like money spent on open source software is more ethical and a better way to spend tax money. Why pay $15 million to Microsoft that will only benefit their shareholders, when spending the same amount of money on open source software would benefit everybody (the citizens as well).

A not to be easily dismissed factor is privacy and data protection. A company that has 700+ &quot;partners&quot; that they sent who knows what data to from inside their e-mail client is not to be trusted. I don&#x27;t want my data in the hands of these crooks.

This is the situation. And knowing how inefficient the German administration is, this would en up costing more in taxes and slower processes.

&quot;Saves 15 million&quot; on license costs, but how much will be wasted on the contractors involved, the lost productivity for state employees (especially the ones who depend on Excel, who will be converted too per the announcement)? And how much do you really save if you keep switching back and forth between M$ and Linux every decade, as state governments seem to enjoy doing?They should switch to open-source for sovereignty. Not &quot;cost&quot;. The fact that they mention &quot;cost&quot; as motivation and to secure buy-in is very worrisome. If you really want to switch to open source permanently and secure your sovereignty, you should invest more (making LibreOffice Calc as good as Excel? One can dream, but it&#x27;s not cheap). Cost-savings show a lack of seriousness. How long until another government switches back?How to know when they&#x27;re serious: when the federal government hires an in-house team of (well-paid) programmers, and sysadmins. Not consultants. Put them in charge of public-facing and internal-use digital infrastructure, serving both the federal and state governments. Make them work to tailor a distro, or LibreOffice, to government needs. Invest in workforce training to keep their productivity up despite the switch.And then, one day (let&#x27;s dream for a second), that team could also pick new projects that serve the public interest, like a vulnerability research team (like Google Project Zero), or helping out with all those underfunded core pieces of digital infrastructure out there with only a single maintainer. Creating public goods is the point of a government.

As a Polish man TIL Schleswig-Holstein is not only the ironclad that started WW2, but also a German province. Imagine my astonishment when I read that SH relies now on OSS having in mind that it&#x27;s the infamous ship

Back then Microsoft was lobbying as hard as they could to turn that decision to move to linux over.They knew: If Linux makes it in Munich, it will likely spread over and they loose tons of contracts with other German states.

Munich seems to have become the preferred destination for US companies opening their German office (most recent: OpenAI, Notion, Anthropic).So if Microsoft would have paved that way, it would have been totally worth it for the city.

- Sir, can we bribe you?- Of course, of course.

There&#x27;s a history of German public administrations using Linux and other open-source software. In particular, the City of Munich has pioneered this with their 2006-2019 LiMux [0] project, which was ultimately cancelled in exchange for Microsoft moving their German offices to Munich proper.[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;LiMux" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;LiMux</a> &#x2F; Discussion at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15661372">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15661372</a>

&gt; You get backups, file synchronization, real time collaboration.Shouldn&#x27;t backups and file sync be handled at a higher level of abstraction? Unless every employee is only dealing with Microsoft Office documents and nothing else (doubt it), shouldn&#x27;t there be a separate backup&amp;sync strategy already in place?There are a myriad of both FOSS and corporate backup&#x2F;sync tools available.As for the real-time collaboration - I&#x27;m not sure how important that is. Writer&#x2F;Word seem like useful tools for documents that have reached their final state before being prepared for printing. I think there are lots of better formats suited to real-time collaboration. Intuitively it seems like text-first documents (markdown, etc.) should better lend themselves to tools like diff or git, or any other collaboration tool, especially a real-time edit tool. It&#x27;s almost like asking for pdf to support real-time collaboration. I&#x27;m not sure about Writer, but Word and pdf documents are awful with regards to edits and git-style collaboration. They&#x27;re formats for presentation, not editing. In case someone here hasn&#x27;t delved into the internal structures of the files, remember how WYSIWYG HTML editors jumbled the HMTL beyond recognition? It&#x27;s similar in that it doesn&#x27;t seem like the format we want to collaboratively work on documents before finally converting them to Writer&#x2F;Word&#x2F;PDF.

One thing that is missing that nowadays you get O365 so also management of employees access and licensing in single env.You get backups, file synchronization, real time collaboration.Setting and running all of that is as simple as making O365 account and clicking couple of buttons by one person.There is no OSS solution that does that.To replicate that with OSS you need 3 to 5 full time graybeards and it still will be annoying normal people that will not understand “why they can’t just do X as in MSFT tools”.

Many times I&#x27;ve seen people state that they use Windows because they know it, but they can&#x27;t do trivial things such as set up a printer or connect to WiFi.Most user&#x27;s Windows ability is to look for apps on the desktop or Start menu.

Shared contacts, calendars and coordination of meeting locations and virtual meetings.I&#x27;ve yet to see FLOSS that matches that aspect of Outlook and o365&#x2F;Exchange. I&#x27;m fact, IMO, it should have been one of the monetization efforts with Mozilla, which is a server companion for Thunderbird and a now comprehensive integration of calendar and contacts.

In terms of client software stuff that&#x27;s true, but in terms of services it&#x27;s not, as other comments here are pointing out.

It&#x27;s the administration of user accounts, the certified compliance, the backups..

It&#x27;s crazy that organizations are willing to spend millions of dollars on Microsoft Office simply because people are used to it. There are literally no features most people actually use that aren&#x27;t completely duplicated in open source alternatives. Whatever amount of time it takes the user to find the button they&#x27;re looking for costs less than the permanent subscription cost for something that will only get more bloated and expensive with time.

The political climate is completely different. The US is no longer an ally but a fascist regime actively supporting far right and nazi movements in Germany. What made sense 8 years ago probably doesn’t make sense today.

Cf. &quot;The rise and fall of Limux&quot; (2017) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lwn.net&#x2F;Articles&#x2F;737818&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lwn.net&#x2F;Articles&#x2F;737818&#x2F;</a>Initiated by the city of Munich, LiMux aimed to migrate public administration systems from Windows to a Linux-based OS to increase control over IT infrastructure and reduce costs. Despite initial success (announced at LinuxTag in 2014, I was there for the announcement), the project faced intense political lobbying by Microsoft leading to a reversion to Windows.More examples in this note: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lab.abilian.com&#x2F;Tech&#x2F;Linux&#x2F;Sovereign%20OS%20-%20%22EU%20Linux%22" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lab.abilian.com&#x2F;Tech&#x2F;Linux&#x2F;Sovereign%20OS%20-%20%22E...</a> (in particular <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lab.abilian.com&#x2F;Tech&#x2F;Linux&#x2F;Sovereign%20OS%20-%20%22EU%20Linux%22&#x2F;#annex-comparable-initiatives" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lab.abilian.com&#x2F;Tech&#x2F;Linux&#x2F;Sovereign%20OS%20-%20%22E...</a>)

Also, how do they handle system administration? What replaces Active Directory, Group Policy, etc.?

Why should they save their work to the cloud? Most documents are local. Sharing should be a decision, not the default.Anyway, there are plenty of local cloud providers.

I work at MSFT. I understand why they migrated to LibreOffice. Outside of work, I use none of MSFT products.I do have some burning questions though, 
1. How are they saving their work to the cloud if they use LibreOffice ? I don’t think it offers the same functionality that M365 suite does.
2. How are they handling IT security? Are they using a different vendor ?

In many organizations, that license costs less than converting all the Excel workbooks - a process that disrupts work, as only the Excel spreadsheet&#x27;s creator and user can reliably spec and test the new spreadsheet. And they need to convert with accuracy - worse than crashes is undetected bad output.Being stuck in legacy systems sucks, and technical people like to deny the reality of it - but it&#x27;s a business reality.

The problem with this is that the decisionmakers fucked up 10-20 years ago, and now when those decisions are being righted, some poor public servant is paying the price.

Are we gonna accept being forever locked in to Microsoft because of custom Excel workbook formulas? Forever paying Microsoft a license fee, because we don&#x27;t want to covert said formulas or invest in open source software to make it reach parity with Excel.

This is equally an issue migrating from Windows 10 to Windows 11, or desktop Word to Office 365 Word, or in fact basically any major software update.Yes, there is a cost to changing software. But it’s not unique to an Open Source migration.

Unfortunately, we have to be willing to make compromises and even learn a new thing or two if we want to survive and protect our sovereignty. And it really is a matter of national survival - Microsoft has made it clear that they are fully controlled by the whims of whoever is in charge of the US government on any given day and will comply with the orders that come down to them. So yes some people will have to re-learn how to use a spreadsheet program, but it&#x27;s a transition that&#x27;s worth making.

I must agree, unfortunately, and do so due to a reason that&#x27;s way more mundane than &quot;custom formulas&quot;: UI.Language, form, muscle memory (call it what you will) is difficult to separate from thinking and working. I&#x27;m very picky when it comes to desktop UI: I use Linux exclusively, and I can&#x27;t tolerate most Linux distros&#x27; default desktop environments. Someone who&#x27;s been productive for a decade or more with Windows applications -- well, to the extent we&#x27;re willing to ascribe &quot;UI stability&quot; to those applications&#x27; own updates -- will probably hate Linux with a passion.I don&#x27;t think such a transition can be made seamless. They should have thought about becoming Microsoft&#x27;s hostage two decades ago (I guess).

In that case, keep your MS license where there is a migration problem, simple as that. There is no need for the entire gov sector to pay so you and your team can use custom formulas.

Formulas exist in other software too. LibreOffice has better compatibility with older Excel files than MS Excel itself.When you migrate anyway you could choose that to use a proper database and SQL if that makes sense instead.

This one gets me now than most of the rest... The increase in licensing for copilot features a lot of orgs would prefer to disable is distasteful to say the least.

Will you get upset if Microsoft will charge 500000000 USD (because more copilot value added every month) per year? That is way more upsetting imho. And if all fails there is still some SAP solution to everything in life :P

What if you have an excel workbook that relies on a bunch of custom formulas. I would be upset if this happened in my workplace. Datasets have been far easier to handle with lambda, vstack, byrow, and the rest. I would not like this move and would have to remain a holdout. That would also frustrate me because of the division.

&gt; Russia is waging war on Europe.No. NATO is engaged in a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine.&gt; America is increasingly aligned with RussiaSure, and that&#x27;s why they provide Russia with weapons and sanction Ukraine and Europe, right?

&gt; What is the political element in Germany that makes these very public walk away from Microsoft viable?Russia is waging war on Europe. America is increasingly aligned with Russia:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;cpvd01g2kwwo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;cpvd01g2kwwo</a>When the US government has become erratic, unreliable, untrustworthy, and aligned with your enemies then it&#x27;s necessarily time to de-risk your infrastructure and supply chains by removing America products and services from them.It&#x27;s the same reason you don&#x27;t want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can&#x27;t trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it.

&gt; What is the political element in Germany that makes these very public walk away from Microsoft viable?Mostly the widespread perception that the USA has betrayed the security guarantees given to Europe, and that the USA isn&#x27;t a reliable partner anymore.

Recent comments (and by now published strategy) of the US administration have certainly shifted public and political perception. Not necessarily 180° but enough too make such projects&#x2F;attempts more viable.In the end, from a European&#x2F;German perspective, it matters little whether these thoughts&#x2F;comments&#x2F;strategies are a negotiation tactic, &quot;trolling&quot;, serious threats or something else entirely. And the fact that &quot;Government adjacent&quot; people like Elon Musk behave the way the do certainly doesn&#x27;t help.The fear that the United States may use it&#x27;s tech companies as blunt offensive weapens does now exist (in a semi-abstract form) where it didn&#x27;t 5 or 10 years ago.I think at this point in time nobody can say what the end result will be or how things may develop in the future. 
Either on the political or the technological field.

I think you’re closest to reality here vs the geopolitical stuff. I find it really interesting, because virtually none of my tech colleagues in the US would reach these conclusions.

&gt; What is the political element in Germany that makes these very public walk away from Microsoft viableGermany has had a fairly active Linux community for decades. A large portion of German local government has had experience using or RFPing FOSS alternatives since the 2000s all the way back to Munich&#x27;s bake off of Windows vs Linux.While the geopolitical portion is sexy and fun to look at, in most cases American vendors just don&#x27;t find much value in supporting DACH customers because their budgets are significantly lower and they tend to be much more on-prem heavy unlike their Scandinavian, CEE, or British peers.DACH local governments also tend to rely heavily on MSP&#x2F;MSSPs and for these kinds of businesses, margins really matter and vendors don&#x27;t like dealing with channel sales because they just don&#x27;t bring enough money to the table for the amount of money you have to spend wining, dining, and supporting them. And given MSP&#x2F;MSSP margins, it makes sense for them to adopt FOSS.Finally, some German local governments have used public proclamations like these to renegotiate vendor deals (I think Munich did something similar).That said, private sector players in DACH have largely consolidated around American or Israeli vendors, such as Schwarz - despite their proclamation for digital soverignity - using American-Israeli SentinelOne [0].It&#x27;s good to have competition though, and I do strongly feel that MSP&#x2F;MSSPs and organizations dependent on Channel are better suited to using FOSS tooling.[0] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sentinelone.com&#x2F;press&#x2F;sentinelone-and-schwarz-digits-strategic-partnership&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sentinelone.com&#x2F;press&#x2F;sentinelone-and-schwarz-di...</a>

Here is a concrete example of what other comments are talking about (threat that MS&#x2F;USA is no longer reliable partner).Microsoft blocked official email account of Karim Khan (a prosecutor of International Criminal Court). That was due to Executive order by president Trump (Executive Order 14203 - Imposing Sanctions on the International Criminal Court).

What is the political element in Germany that makes these very public walk away from Microsoft viable?I’ve run projects for a few different employers to look at doing this. The math doesn’t math unless you can segment your workforce. For example, at one place we had a field workforce that operated dispatch centers and field techs. That was all iOS + Linux or Chrome.

Schleswig-Holstein (pop. 3M) shows that Open Source in government is viable. We need an EU that shifts its focus from compliance frameworks to actually investing and building.

Delete the banner from the DOM. They can&#x27;t process your data legally until you pressed that button. That&#x27;s why the reload is. When you delete it, you never pressed the button.

Note that this is considered not freely given consent by various data protection authorities, including the Dutch one (quite strongly; could find a source but would be in Dutch) and the European-wide collective of them (more weakly): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.edpb.europa.eu&#x2F;news&#x2F;news&#x2F;2024&#x2F;edpb-consent-or-pay-models-should-offer-real-choice_en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.edpb.europa.eu&#x2F;news&#x2F;news&#x2F;2024&#x2F;edpb-consent-or-pa...</a> It&#x27;s not like GDPR is new or dubiously worded on this aspect. They&#x27;re willfully ignoring both ethical boundaries and the lawI don&#x27;t know why people keep sending me &#x2F; sharing Heise links. There&#x27;s more than one news website in the world

Unless you pay for the subscription you can&#x27;t reject all of it anyway.* Data processing by advertising providers including personalised advertising with profiling - Consent required for free useThe full page reload after wasting all that time to realise I don&#x27;t actually have a choice was a nice touch.

That was by far the most hostile cookie banner I&#x27;ve ever seen by a lot. It required multiple levels of saying no with a bid level of clicking reject a few hundred times. It wasn&#x27;t worth it.

&quot;We are at almost 80, without the tax administration.&quot;Guess someone decided &quot;we need to make it sound like we have 80% anyway we can&quot;, who knows what the real percentage is.

This is the year of LibreOffice on the government? I&#x27;d love if you were right, but I doubt it. The chasm is enormous, and maybe you don&#x27;t use Excel enough to realize it.

&gt; We&#x27;ve been seeing variations of the same article every week.Time has come. Over the last few years there is more and more interest from goverments and private organizations to have relieable software that does not depend of foreign entities. Software sovereignty is becoming a necesity rather than a nice to have for both nations and enterprises.&gt; Excel, in particular, hasn&#x27;t been unseated despite billions in investments from competitors over the years.Excel, like many other technologies in the past can be disrupted. Like mane other commenters say, it won&#x27;t come cheap. Saving costs shouldn&#x27;t be the the goal here.&gt; Parity will happen someday, but it&#x27;s at least a decade away.Challenge accepted!

You acknowledge your first argument is invalid, handwave that away and then your whole idea of Microsoft&#x27;s office suite&#x27;s dominance is &quot;lobbyism&quot;?Good lord.

Arriving first (ye ye Lotus 1-2-3 existed we know) and early extreme lobbyism sure stands strong.

We&#x27;ve been seeing variations of the same article every week. The answer has been the same for a long time: this is great but unfortunately there are advantages in using Office and that&#x27;s the reason we shouldn&#x27;t expect mass migration anytime soon.Excel, in particular, hasn&#x27;t been unseated despite billions in investments from competitors over the years. Parity will happen someday, but it&#x27;s at least a decade away.

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;Cr3H2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;Cr3H2</a>

Is there a link that doesn&#x27;t require me to agree to give up my first-born?

Immerse yourself in a workplace setting where Excel is the first thing that people grab for anything but text editing. You&#x27;ll see how insanely productive people are. Now actually try switching to LO Calc.I&#x27;ve done this several times during my career, to see if LO Calc would ever come up to the performance of Excel. To be fair, I haven&#x27;t done so since I switched to Python.Here&#x27;s the experiment I would conduct. Generate a column of 5000 numbers. Now graph them. Now make a few token changes to the graph such as modifying some of the aesthetic parameters. The difference in processing time was profound, last time I tried it. Also, there was a noticeable &quot;latency&quot; between clicking something, and seeing something happen, that made it quite un-ergonomic if not physically painful to use. I&#x27;m sensitive to this because I get eyestrain headaches easily.

The catch depends a lot on the context that you&#x27;re considering. Trying to replace Microsoft Office as a whole by a drop-in replacement like LibreOffie may work better or worse depending on who uses it.I&#x27;ve never used anything but OpenOffice &#x2F; LibreOffice for writing academic texts in the humanities and never missed anything. The &quot;catch&quot; whenever I tried Microsoft Word was the menu that had the most important functions (for me) hidden away much deeper than in OO and LO.I&#x27;ve never been a big user of Spreadsheets but I&#x27;ve heard only good of Excel and trust the widespread opinion that it is unchallenged in its domain. In sociology you wouldn&#x27;t use it because you&#x27;ve got specialized statistics software such as R and SPSS (PSPP being an attempt at an Open Source Alternative to SPSS).Looking at administration, Excel ist probably quite important but when you get rid of it, not one but various solutions might take its place, depending on who uses it. If you want something like a browseable database in a colorful table for office clerks, LO Calc might be enough. But the things Excel gets praised for a lot (I never know what exactly people mean) would probably have to be tackled another way.Governments going down that need to invest into finding those solutions by providing staff that is qualified to find them or even develop them. The state of Schleswig-Holstein considered in its Open Source initiative strategy that it may be challenged by a future legislation and put a focus on the reasons for acceptance of Open Source solutions. I wonder if that is put into action well to find solutions with the least &quot;catch&quot; that may even excel over Microsoft products depending on their context :)

I find Onlyoffice to be the closest alternative. It presents itself as a hosted office platform but you can actually install it locally and it feels just like an office program.It&#x27;s not the most efficient, being effectively a webview. But its UI and compatibility is imho much better than LibreOffice.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.onlyoffice.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.onlyoffice.com&#x2F;</a>

there is some information in the following article:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;euro-stack.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2025&#x2F;3&#x2F;schleswig-holstein-open-source-digital-sovereignty" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;euro-stack.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2025&#x2F;3&#x2F;schleswig-holstein-open-s...</a>

Super basic use cases, like having a CV in Word and a Budget Excel. But I switched to Onlyoffice now. I am not a huge fan of scripting in excel anyways.

what are your use cases and what&#x27;s your scripting knowledge?

I wonder what they use for Microsoft Office. My office license is renewing in 2 weeks and I have been looking at alternatives but they all have their own catch.

Cost savings make headlines, but the important part is reducing structural dependency. Governments shouldn’t base essential functions on systems they can’t inspect or control. Even if OSS requires investment, that investment at least builds local capabilities instead of external lock-in.

Google gave its employees a Linux laptop option for well more than 10 years, but in the past few years they started steering everyone away from it, before formally announcing they want to scale it back.This is despite them being a tech company, and despite them having already invested in their single Linux flavor (gLinux). Wayland migration was also a pain.

This is my concern with all those &quot;success&quot; stories about Linux as an enterprise desktop OS. Run it for 10 years and show me the actual cost savings&#x2F;improved productivity.Microsoft is trash and is getting worse day by day, but at the very least it&#x27;s the same trash everyone has to deal with, so people mostly got used to the smell, and you can get economies of scale in tools used to deal with said smell. MS is trash because of incompetence.Linux is dozens of different flavors of trash, so you don&#x27;t even get economies of scale dealing with it. It&#x27;s trash because of ideology - the people involved would often reject the functionality you mentioned for ideological reasons, and even for those who do accept them, won&#x27;t agree on the implementation meaning you now have a dozen of different flavors, and will take up arms if someone tries to unify things (just look at the reaction to systemd).Linux works well for careers where shoveling trash is already part of your work, in which case all the effort doubles as training for the job and experience makes this a non-issue. But for non-IT careers where the computer is just a tool that is expected to work properly, it&#x27;s nowhere near there, and will never get there because everyone&#x27;s instead arguing on the definition of &quot;there&quot; and which mode of transportation to use getting there.

I&#x27;ve never used it. Does this actually replace AD and group policy effectively? Does it manage updates properly? Can it handle compliance tasks?I&#x27;ve used other things that claimed to in the past and none came anywhere close in practice. They all turned out just to be LDAP with some NT4 style policies for windows and very little at all for the Linux clients. It was like traveling back in time to the Windows 2000 era of management.

AFAIK they use Open-Xchange, Univention Corporate Server and other specialized (maybe customized?) an open solutions for telephony, interoperability and other tasks.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;euro-stack.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2025&#x2F;3&#x2F;schleswig-holstein-open-source-digital-sovereignty" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;euro-stack.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2025&#x2F;3&#x2F;schleswig-holstein-open-s...</a>

&gt;EDR&#x2F;AV is basically unnecessary, when you only mount things either writable or executableSounds good, except:* scripting languages exist. The situation is even worse on Linux than on Windows (because of the sysadmin focus). You need at least &#x2F;bin&#x2F;sh installed and runnable on any POSIX system. In practice bash, python, perl and many more are also always available.* exploits exist. Just opening a pdf file may execute arbitrary code on a machine. There is no way to avoid that by just configuring your system. And it will happen sooner or later, especially if nation states are involved.The idea that your systems are somehow unhackable because you... mount everything W^X is... not based in reality. Of course it&#x27;s a great idea, but in practice you need defense in depth, and you need to have a way to Detect and Respond to inevitable Endpoint breaches. I don&#x27;t love EDR&#x2F;AVs, but they mitigate real attacks happening in the real world.

&gt; And you don&#x27;t want the users to start random softwarepython ~&#x2F;my.pywget | bash

&gt; the primary problem was accessing it with a Windows mindset.The early Unix systems you&#x27;re talking about were mainframe based. Modern client-server or p2p apps need an entirely different mindset and a different set of tools that Linux just didnt have the last time I looked.When they audit the company for SOX , PCI-DSS, etc we can&#x27;t just shrug and say &quot;Nah, we decided we don&#x27;t need that stuff.&quot; That&#x27;s actually a good thing though, because if it were optional well meaning folks like you just wouldn&#x27;t bother and the company would wind up on the evening news.

&gt; EDR&#x2F;AV is basically unnecessary,No, its not and never will be.Even if it were technically unnecessary (in some hypothetical future where privilege escalation became impossible?), legal, compliance, and insurance requirements would still be there.

I think this comes primarily from trying to add a separate management tool on top, instead of leveraging the OS structure themself. There is a reason, why most directories are specified to be readonly. Also writable XOR persistent is mostly true. The only things required to be writable are &#x2F;tmp, &#x2F;var and &#x2F;home. &#x2F;tmp is wiped at least on every boot or is even just a ramdisk. &#x2F;var can be cached or reset to the predefined settings on boot. &#x2F;home needs to be managed, that is true. But you wouldn&#x27;t want every users directory on every host anyway, instead you want to populate them on login. That is typically done by libpam.&#x2F;usr is expected to be shared among hosts, host-specific stuff goes into &#x2F;usr&#x2F;local for a reason, and as a sysadmin you can decide to simply not have host specific software.EDR&#x2F;AV is basically unnecessary, when you only mount things either writable or executable. And you don&#x27;t want the users to start random software or mount random USB-sticks anyway.&gt; Back then it was like nobody who had ever actually been a sysadmin had ever taken an honest crack at Linux and all the hype was coming from home users who had no idea what herding boxen was actually like.Unix has over 50 years of history of being primarily managed by sysadmins instead of home users. While Linux is not Unix, it has inherited a lot. The whole system is basically designed to run a bunch of admin configured software and is actually less suitable for home users. I would say the primary problem was accessing it with a Windows mindset.

I would disagree with you both about the past and the present and what&#x27;s &quot;janky&quot;, but - that&#x27;s actually beside the point:LibreOffice works just fine on _Windows_ - and that&#x27;s what the majority of its users are running.So, Schleswig-Holstein can switch to Linux, or not switch, or let specific agencies or individuals choose.

&gt; I’m sick of all the constant restrictionsI think everyone hates it, but they&#x27;re often legally required. Even when they aren&#x27;t legally required, they usually are by insurance companies.Nobody wants to be on the news the first time Becky in Marketing opens an email attachment she shouldn&#x27;t.*EDIT* I left out one of the biggest benefits: Dummies &amp; Newbs. The world is filled with people who have never used a mouse before they started this job Last week and people who actually NEED the stupid warning stickers on their toasters. If you don&#x27;t lock down their desktops your support costs will be astronomical and downtime will be constant. We know this because there was a time before these tools, and it largely sucked for everyone.Did you know that you can bypass the windows 98 login screen by just clicking &#x27;Cancel&#x27; instead of &#x27;OK&#x27; at the login prompt? Nice and simple, right? That stupid button not only wrecked security it caused 10&#x27;s or 100&#x27;s of thousands of hours in lost work because people forgot their passwords, clicked Cancel, and then would call the help desk wondering why network shares didnt work. It would sometimes take hours to figure that all they had to do was reset the password and login properly.

I really don’t get why there’s always this group of people who feel the need to constantly manage everything for others—like sysadmins, for example. Sure, there are valid scenarios where management makes sense, like printing or shared drives, but most of the stuff is just over the top. As a developer, I’m sick of all the constant restrictions—broken VPNs, stealth monitoring, and antivirus software that slows everything down. These &quot;security measures&quot; are supposed to help, but they just kill performance and cause frustration. At the end of the day, I just want my system to work smoothly without constant interference.

Its been a very long time since I was a Sysadmin, but I&#x27;m curious what managing a fleet of Linux desktops is like today? Has it vastly improved?When I last tried in a small pilot program, it was incredibly primitive. Linux desktops were janky and manual compared to Active Directory and group policy, and an alternative to Intune&#x2F;AAD didn&#x27;t even seem to exist. Heck, even things like WSUS and WDS didnt seem to have an open version or only had versions that required expensive expert level SME&#x27;S to perform constant fiddling. Meanwhile the Windows tools could be managed by 20 year old admins with basic certitifcations.Also, GRC and security seemed to be impossible back then. There was an utter lack of decent DLP tools, proper legal hold was difficult, EDR&#x2F;AV solutions were primitive and the options were limited, etc.Back then it was like nobody who had ever actually been a sysadmin had ever taken an honest crack at Linux and all the hype was coming from home users who had no idea what herding boxen was actually like.

Benefits are bigger than anyone realizes. Even if it would cost same it would still be money that are to circulate further in local economy.

&gt;Almost 80 percent of licenses canceledLooks like what IBM tied. IBM allowed some people to stay on Microsoft Office, the &#x27;some people&#x27; were VPs and a few &#x27;important&#x27; people. That turned into a disaster.Eventually almost everyone started requesting M&#x2F;S Office Exceptions, and many were granted. Other people revolted. IBM then gave up and went back to M&#x2F;S Office.To do this correctly, convert everyone, from CEO, Board Members down to the lowest level of person. No exceptions.

A company that cuts all services to members of the International Criminal Court because they prosecute war criminals that are protected by the US is not a reliable service provider for non-US customers. That’s why Swiss Data Protection Officers recommended recently to migrate away from MS products and services. And all European agencies should do the same immediately.

The US becoming a national security risk can&#x27;t help.

The key word missing from the title: LibreOffice.It is by now a trusty enough workhorse for large organizations.Yes, it&#x27;s not all the way there: I&#x27;ve filed hundreds of bugs against LibreOffice, and many are still open (not just feature requests); and yes, I have a lot of criticism of the governance. But it is proof that a huge, end-user-facing software project can sustain itself and improve within having to rely on the MS-bucks or the Googlebucks and such.But a huge project needs a lot of support, and needs to renew its support from new people, so please help out!<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;whatcanidoforlibreoffice.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;whatcanidoforlibreoffice.org&#x2F;</a>Filing bugs, contributing graphics, translating parts of the UI (which you would be a saint to do since the translation system is the pits), designing document templates, organizing an install-party, getting promotional material and putting it, and of course you can write write code (starting with easy-hacks) or contribute money.----Due disclosure: I&#x27;m a trustee of The Document Foundation, which manages the project. Going to speak at LOConf Asia 2025 in Tokyo later this month:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;conf.libreoffice.asia" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;conf.libreoffice.asia</a>

Related in October:Schleswig-Holstein completes migration to open source email<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=45558635">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=45558635</a>

Whenever cost-cutting measures are open for recommendations, I always mention how any company or organization can save on Microsoft licenses by switching to open source alternatives. It&#x27;s never taken seriously, my competence is always questioned, and I somehow form new enemies from Microsoft fans. In the end, layoffs are conducted meanwhile the bills from Microsoft increase. The worst part about it all is that if my recommendations were implemented, the savings could have been enough to save everyone from a layoff.

what’s the surveillance situation in the Linux ecosystem these days? :-)

Wait until Microsoft comes back with lobbying some well placed politicians and restores Microsoft 365 in no time. This happens every single time.

Microsoft had to move their local headquarters to Munich to have their municipality revert the change...Now, if two or more municipalities managed to migrate to Linux at the same time...

Right, but if you point out that the median time to uninstall Open Office is two minutes people get mad.

problem is these changes are constantly reverted (back to Microsoft services)

Over half my life I&#x27;ve been reading this headline. &quot;[Subdivision of Germany] switches to Linux&quot;. Here&#x27;s some slashdot slop from 2002.You&#x27;d think Microsoft would be dead and buried by now, or that the readers would have realized how inconsequential these changes are. One or the other.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.slashdot.org&#x2F;story&#x2F;25936" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.slashdot.org&#x2F;story&#x2F;25936</a>

I&#x27;ve been using LibreOffice Calc and Writer for years. I&#x27;ve used Microsoft Office Excel and Word, too.I can&#x27;t say I&#x27;ve ever suffered from my choices or that I missed any features. As for &quot;polish&quot; - that&#x27;s subjective, isn&#x27;t it? I can access all the features I want quickly and efficiently. It&#x27;s a tool, after all.There are some minor bugs with Calc that I&#x27;d rate 2&#x2F;10 in importance - annoyances mostly. I haven&#x27;t used Excel in a while, but it had annoyances, too.But even if Microsoft Office is more polished and feature-rich, I still think that the trade-off is worth it - we get data and software sovereignty, privacy and cost savings. The workers need to relearn how to access feature X in the menu or how to live without feature Y.

I don&#x27;t necessarily disagree with &quot;Libreoffice is junk&quot; but that&#x27;s not actually a problem, or all the problem. As the article has stated, 80% of the licenses were dropped, while 20% of the use cases continue to be supported by Microsoft Office. To me that is already a big win compared to 100% Microsoft Office.You see, most Office users are not heavy&#x2F;expert users and they only occasionally need the basic features that exist everywhere and do good enough of a job. I personally have only used Word maybe 3 times over the past few years, because almost all work documents live elsewhere, while Google Docs is good enough for my personal word processing needs (which could probably be done with Libreoffice as well). In the old days I used to install pirated Microsoft Office when I got a new laptop. These days I don&#x27;t even think about it.Imagine every company starts to evaluate how many employees actually need Microsoft Office, and then drop licenses for those who would be ok with Libreoffice or nothing at all. Microsoft would be shitting their pants.

There is probably some (or even much) truth to it but it needs to pointed out that this statement comes from the political opposition and is therefore somewhat biased against this project.

It&#x27;s not ideology. The US has started sanctioning European judges who serve on international courts, causing Microsoft to cut off access to its services.Given that the US has shown it&#x27;s willing to wield sanctions as a blunt instrument against anyone and everyone, it&#x27;s only prudent for European countries to reduce their exposure to US tech.

&quot;Somebody needs to put a lot of $$$$ into the project&quot;and that&#x27;s the problem, people wouldn&#x27;t invest that much into project no one use

It&#x27;s 2025, maybe instead we can finally stop trying to emulate letters from the 1980s? If your business process today involves Word, you need to be retired so someone can come in that understands what computers are.

Good move, gotta watch out for complicated contractual claims in Schleswig-Holstein. Microsoft might ally with the Danes and claim Schleswig, and then we&#x27;d have an 1864 situation on our hands again.

To Heise&#x27;s (slight) defense, their forum system is at least 24 years old, extrapolated from checking the date of my first comment on it. Probably even older. Apart from driving page impressions, there didn&#x27;t seem to be an incentive to make the experience smoother, as user engagement is still very high.

You dodged a bullet there. Heise is infamous for incendiary, low quality discussion.

I really tried to read the comments on heise.de … but their website is the perfect example if ad revenue drives a company instead of providing value to their readers. Why do users have to create another page impression to read a comment?

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